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	<title>Comments on: Lessons learned: SmartGWT 2.3 &#8211; Component-Library for Google Web Toolkit (GWT)</title>
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		<title>By: Kai Wähner</title>
		<link>http://www.kai-waehner.de/blog/2010/12/11/lessons-learned-smartgwt-2-3-component-library-for-google-web-toolkit-gwt/#comment-897</link>
		<dc:creator>Kai Wähner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, I do not know any good tutorial. The vendor promotes its server-side solution, of course - they can earn money just this way :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I do not know any good tutorial. The vendor promotes its server-side solution, of course &#8211; they can earn money just this way <img src='http://www.kai-waehner.de/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: vahid</title>
		<link>http://www.kai-waehner.de/blog/2010/12/11/lessons-learned-smartgwt-2-3-component-library-for-google-web-toolkit-gwt/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>vahid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thnak you for fast replay, i dont know if it is a good place to ast such question or not ?!  i need a complete tutorial about smartgwt lgpl and i want to ask you as exprienced java developer what is the best , secure , fast jee fremwork , again thank you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thnak you for fast replay, i dont know if it is a good place to ast such question or not ?!  i need a complete tutorial about smartgwt lgpl and i want to ask you as exprienced java developer what is the best , secure , fast jee fremwork , again thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Kai Wähner</title>
		<link>http://www.kai-waehner.de/blog/2010/12/11/lessons-learned-smartgwt-2-3-component-library-for-google-web-toolkit-gwt/#comment-895</link>
		<dc:creator>Kai Wähner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I do not have an example for SmartGWT LGPL + Database. I have not seen one yet, unfortunately.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I do not have an example for SmartGWT LGPL + Database. I have not seen one yet, unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: vahid</title>
		<link>http://www.kai-waehner.de/blog/2010/12/11/lessons-learned-smartgwt-2-3-component-library-for-google-web-toolkit-gwt/#comment-894</link>
		<dc:creator>vahid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi , now do you have any good example of smartgwt lgpl and database??
please send to me if there is 
soltanivahid@ymail.com
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi , now do you have any good example of smartgwt lgpl and database??<br />
please send to me if there is<br />
<a href="mailto:soltanivahid@ymail.com">soltanivahid@ymail.com</a><br />
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.kai-waehner.de/blog/2010/12/11/lessons-learned-smartgwt-2-3-component-library-for-google-web-toolkit-gwt/#comment-861</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 01:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that I woul never EVER use the server side components again, and I would think very hard about using the client side again.  There are so many other options out there that I&#039;d rather just leave these guys and never look back.

You mention the paid support a few times.  Don&#039;t buy it.  The answers you get for the premium support are just as arrogant andcondescending, and they still respond with answers like &quot;why do it that way?&quot; or &quot;you&#039;ll have to prove it.&quot;. A member of my team has found no less than 10 bugs in their API, which they promise to fix in nightly builds, but don&#039;t always follow through on.

Let&#039;s talk other extras too. The charting package or analytical package.  Guess what, for several hundred dollars you get a charting package that 1. Doesn&#039;t graph negative numbers, 2.Doesn&#039;t allow for customization of axis labels.  Really useful right?

I have been using this product for almost aIyar, and I would have abandoned it given the time for a rewrite.  Please if you&#039;re reading this stay away from Isomorphic.  Like theauthor said, it looks like a gift, but it is far from being that.  You will do better with another library or even, dare I say it, Flash!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that I woul never EVER use the server side components again, and I would think very hard about using the client side again.  There are so many other options out there that I&#8217;d rather just leave these guys and never look back.</p>
<p>You mention the paid support a few times.  Don&#8217;t buy it.  The answers you get for the premium support are just as arrogant andcondescending, and they still respond with answers like &#8220;why do it that way?&#8221; or &#8220;you&#8217;ll have to prove it.&#8221;. A member of my team has found no less than 10 bugs in their API, which they promise to fix in nightly builds, but don&#8217;t always follow through on.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s talk other extras too. The charting package or analytical package.  Guess what, for several hundred dollars you get a charting package that 1. Doesn&#8217;t graph negative numbers, 2.Doesn&#8217;t allow for customization of axis labels.  Really useful right?</p>
<p>I have been using this product for almost aIyar, and I would have abandoned it given the time for a rewrite.  Please if you&#8217;re reading this stay away from Isomorphic.  Like theauthor said, it looks like a gift, but it is far from being that.  You will do better with another library or even, dare I say it, Flash!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.kai-waehner.de/blog/2010/12/11/lessons-learned-smartgwt-2-3-component-library-for-google-web-toolkit-gwt/#comment-713</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I use SmartGWT right now, in many different small application in our 100+ person company.  The widgits are very well integrated.  And of course the showcase is brilliant. 
I&#039;m an experienced java developer and I would likely never need the server side suite.  So I am content to use GWT-RPC.  I&#039;ll probably tackle learning command patterns next before trying to do anything else.  I love sql and would hate anything that got in my way of manipulating the data directly.  Of course, we are a small company after all, I manage the servers, etc.  
Again, I highly recommend SmartGWT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use SmartGWT right now, in many different small application in our 100+ person company.  The widgits are very well integrated.  And of course the showcase is brilliant.<br />
I&#8217;m an experienced java developer and I would likely never need the server side suite.  So I am content to use GWT-RPC.  I&#8217;ll probably tackle learning command patterns next before trying to do anything else.  I love sql and would hate anything that got in my way of manipulating the data directly.  Of course, we are a small company after all, I manage the servers, etc.  <br />
Again, I highly recommend SmartGWT.</p>
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		<title>By: Manna</title>
		<link>http://www.kai-waehner.de/blog/2010/12/11/lessons-learned-smartgwt-2-3-component-library-for-google-web-toolkit-gwt/#comment-680</link>
		<dc:creator>Manna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 09:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What i forgot to say: isomorphic should care more about the forum questions!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What i forgot to say: isomorphic should care more about the forum questions!</p>
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		<title>By: Manna</title>
		<link>http://www.kai-waehner.de/blog/2010/12/11/lessons-learned-smartgwt-2-3-component-library-for-google-web-toolkit-gwt/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>Manna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 09:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We used SmartGWT Pro in a customers project and we really liked it. Yes, there are some aspects which were not easy to learn (especially the server-side features), but all in all the result was good. The customer now likes the application and we would choose SmartGWT again. 

At the beginning we had big problems with the data source concept. Because of this we implemented our own custom data sources (jpa with database). After doing this everything worked fine for our use cases.

Again, SmartGWT is a powerful framework but compared to other commercial frameworks the documentation IS definately bad. The first weeks are very hard to learn because of this documentation lack. After some time you learn the good and the &quot;bad&quot; things of SmartGWT.

You should definately have a look at SmartGWT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We used SmartGWT Pro in a customers project and we really liked it. Yes, there are some aspects which were not easy to learn (especially the server-side features), but all in all the result was good. The customer now likes the application and we would choose SmartGWT again. </p>
<p>At the beginning we had big problems with the data source concept. Because of this we implemented our own custom data sources (jpa with database). After doing this everything worked fine for our use cases.</p>
<p>Again, SmartGWT is a powerful framework but compared to other commercial frameworks the documentation IS definately bad. The first weeks are very hard to learn because of this documentation lack. After some time you learn the good and the &#8220;bad&#8221; things of SmartGWT.</p>
<p>You should definately have a look at SmartGWT.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Kendrick</title>
		<link>http://www.kai-waehner.de/blog/2010/12/11/lessons-learned-smartgwt-2-3-component-library-for-google-web-toolkit-gwt/#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Kendrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 22:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kai you still seem to be assuming that you&#039;re going to be generating large XML files to disk, then editing them.  But we show right at the beginning of the Server Framework chapter of the QuickStart Guide that there would be no need for a large XML file at all - literally a one-liner is enough.

The relevant except is right here, at the bottom of this post:
http://blog.isomorphic.com/?p=227

I should also point out, you can extend the XML descriptor with your own properties, and you can dynamically provide the XML descriptor to the system as well.  So even if you perceive a need to put any kind of redundant information into XML (honestly we&#039;ve never seen such a use case), you can easily provide the information dynamically and eliminate that redundancy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kai you still seem to be assuming that you&#8217;re going to be generating large XML files to disk, then editing them.  But we show right at the beginning of the Server Framework chapter of the QuickStart Guide that there would be no need for a large XML file at all &#8211; literally a one-liner is enough.</p>
<p>The relevant except is right here, at the bottom of this post:<br />
<a href="http://blog.isomorphic.com/?p=227" rel="nofollow">http://blog.isomorphic.com/?p=227</a></p>
<p>I should also point out, you can extend the XML descriptor with your own properties, and you can dynamically provide the XML descriptor to the system as well.  So even if you perceive a need to put any kind of redundant information into XML (honestly we&#8217;ve never seen such a use case), you can easily provide the information dynamically and eliminate that redundancy.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Kendrick</title>
		<link>http://www.kai-waehner.de/blog/2010/12/11/lessons-learned-smartgwt-2-3-component-library-for-google-web-toolkit-gwt/#comment-662</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Kendrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mia, I&#039;m having some trouble believing that you are a real person who has actually used our product.  Our competitors have a habit of posting fake reviews.

My apologies if this is an incorrect assessment, but it would be very simple to convince everyone here:

1. can you point to just one instance of a standalone test you provided that demonstrated a bug that wasn&#039;t fixed?  Because we very often provide overnight fixes for bugs, even if the user reporting it doesn&#039;t have support

2. if there is any sample that doesn&#039;t work outside of the showcase, congratulations on being the first ever to find it!  Can you point out which one?

3. there&#039;s a huge number of Showcase samples related to dynamically generated and data bound forms - in fact I&#039;m not clear what you could mean by this since all the samples show Java code - so it&#039;s all dynamic already?  I&#039;m not sure how anyone could have worked with our product at all and say something like this - could you clarify?

4. the tree allows duplicate nodes, just not duplicate node ids.  On a number of projects we&#039;ve dealt easily with duplicate nodes, I&#039;m not sure how you ended up with &quot;monstrous&quot; code, but I feel pretty confident a simplification was available.  If you can share details, I can help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mia, I&#8217;m having some trouble believing that you are a real person who has actually used our product.  Our competitors have a habit of posting fake reviews.</p>
<p>My apologies if this is an incorrect assessment, but it would be very simple to convince everyone here:</p>
<p>1. can you point to just one instance of a standalone test you provided that demonstrated a bug that wasn&#8217;t fixed?  Because we very often provide overnight fixes for bugs, even if the user reporting it doesn&#8217;t have support</p>
<p>2. if there is any sample that doesn&#8217;t work outside of the showcase, congratulations on being the first ever to find it!  Can you point out which one?</p>
<p>3. there&#8217;s a huge number of Showcase samples related to dynamically generated and data bound forms &#8211; in fact I&#8217;m not clear what you could mean by this since all the samples show Java code &#8211; so it&#8217;s all dynamic already?  I&#8217;m not sure how anyone could have worked with our product at all and say something like this &#8211; could you clarify?</p>
<p>4. the tree allows duplicate nodes, just not duplicate node ids.  On a number of projects we&#8217;ve dealt easily with duplicate nodes, I&#8217;m not sure how you ended up with &#8220;monstrous&#8221; code, but I feel pretty confident a simplification was available.  If you can share details, I can help.</p>
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